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10-12-2020 12:45 PM #31

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You have some very promising campaigns in the screen, especially when not much optimization has been done when it comes to the placements and LPs. I'm almost certain that these 2 offers can become profitable for you pretty soon.

It seems like the best method of going about things is just too keep testing a lot of offers in different verticals until I get something which is promising and then just focus on getting that to get a green and stop testing other offers.

Yup, as was mentioned many times in various follow alongs, the offer is the king, so the sooner you find some promising ones, the faster you can move forward.

Just a note on this: "and stop testing other offers" ... always dedicate a small portion of your budget to testing new offers, EVERY single offer will stop performing one day, so you need to be prepared when that happens. BUT, do not overdo this, the last thing you want to do is to waste all the profits on testing. You gotta find a balance.

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Originally Posted by matuloo

You have some very promising campaigns in the screen, especially when not much optimization has been done when it comes to the placements and LPs. I'm almost certain that these 2 offers can become profitable for you pretty soon.

Was that statement intuition or a blessing , either way it was correct/worked.

After a month of trials and tribulations I'm GREEN again, double digit green (including monetizer)

Let's take a look at campaign 1, it was -24% ROI yesterday, after I tested with a random lander I ripped. Today it's 5% but there's actually more promise than that.

Let's take a look at todays lander data for 2 random landers vs direct linked vs 1 custom copywritten lander

The power of copywriting strikes again

Campaign 2: After blocking desktop I got a solid 60% green ROI without much effort, traffic dipped a bit though, I've increased the bid and changed creatives to get some more traffic tomorrow

I've also got a 4 more offers to test - hopefully we can find another banger, plus that immediately green offer from a couple days ago which I left behind - I'll have to explore that too.

Humble request - don't put me in the news-letter until I've got a week of $100+ profit days, don't want to jinx it when I'm finally getting results again

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Was that statement intuition or a blessing , either way it was correct/worked.

It was pretty obvious honestly Whenever something is that close to green or slightly profitable straight of the bat, there is a VERY high chance of this becoming a nice profitable campaign. And your case just confirmed it

The power of copywriting strikes again

I keep on saying this, times and times again... rip whatever you want, BUT tweak the copy/layout before putting it live, that's always a good idea. Glad that it worked for you too.

Humble request - don't put me in the news-letter until I've got a week of $100+ profit days, don't want to jinx it when I'm finally getting results again

Say that to @shishev

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10-14-2020 11:04 AM #34

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Originally Posted by matuloo

Say that to @shishev

You called?

If Matej calls it means the Black Newsletter Pearl is circling nearby and there isn't much time left.

Originally Posted by fastaj

Was that statement intuition or a blessing , either way it was correct/worked.

After a month of trials and tribulations I'm GREEN again, double digit green (including monetizer)

Let's take a look at campaign 1, it was -24% ROI yesterday, after I tested with a random lander I ripped. Today it's 5% but there's actually more promise than that.

Let's take a look at todays lander data for 2 random landers vs direct linked vs 1 custom copywritten lander

Humble request - don't put me in the news-letter until I've got a week of $100+ profit days, don't want to jinx it when I'm finally getting results again

Humble request -- Aaaaahh yes quite sweet, however, (and most unfortunately) Shishev's not the overly humble type.

Perhaps we can arrange for a window of opportunity...for the right price. Ye have until the end of next week to hit $100+ profit days before the newsletter curse strikes down.

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GJ on the landers, I love copy stuff – just out of sheer copy curiosity – did you update/change an existing angle or is it a brand new one? (do not reveal the lander, asking in general)

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Originally Posted by shishev

You called? Perhaps we can arrange for a window of opportunity...for the right price. Ye have until the end of next week to hit $100+ profit days before the newsletter curse strikes down.

You'd become absolute legend @fastaj, consider that opportunity and the glory that it brings

10-14-2020 01:22 PM #36

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Originally Posted by shishev

You called?

If Matej calls it means the Black Newsletter Pearl is circling nearby and there isn't much time left.

Humble request -- Aaaaahh yes quite sweet, however, (and most unfortunately) Shishev's not the overly humble type.

Perhaps we can arrange for a window of opportunity...for the right price. Ye have until the end of next week to hit $100+ profit days before the newsletter curse strikes down.

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GJ on the landers, I love copy stuff – just out of sheer copy curiosity – did you update/change an existing angle or is it a brand new one? (do not reveal the lander, asking in general)

Originally Posted by plutus

You'd become absolute legend @fastaj, consider that opportunity and the glory that it brings

Oh f*ck what have I done.

Now the pressure is on, and ONLY 10 days to 10X my profits?

There is only one thing to do:

@shishev the lander was new and the angle was something unique which I got after reading forums of the targeted audience.

Anyway let's jump right into today:

First row, first camp:

First camp again at -20%, but a LOT more volume. Actually it -20% because I threw in 3 new offers in the same camp due to their similarity AND I started hitting the less lucrative segments. Kind of messy to throw in absolutely everything into the mix and test it all at once BUT whatever, it's fast and now I'm racing against the clock - only got 10 days left to hit $100
I'll spare you another screenshot, 2 offers were quite bad @ -50% ROI or so, and the other new one performed slightly worse to the original.
The new traffic segments all performed worse than the "holy whitelist" but not that much worse, and I made small adjustment to each to bring their ROI up to green - very interestingly the push creatives perform VERY VERY differently depending on where you run them.

Second row, second camp:

Cut out bad segments and placements and increased bid by 10% to get some more traffic = result slightly more spend with insane ROI, it was even more insane at the beginning of the da at 200%+ ROI
Currently about to hit cap, so this will be running at this level for the next couple days until I get quality feedback from advertiser

10-14-2020 02:17 PM #37

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Looks good so far.

First camp again at -20%, but a LOT more volume

-20% isn´t that bad, especially when you have lots of volume available.

Then cutting some losing placements can already help to get the campaign into green.

Or maybe it would have been in green already when you wouldn´t have tested the other two offers

The new traffic segments all performed worse than the "holy whitelist" but not that much worse, and I made small adjustment to each to bring their ROI up to green - very interestingly the push creatives perform VERY VERY differently depending on where you run them.

What do you mean with "where you run them"?

Different geos or different trafficsources?

Currently about to hit cap, so this will be running at this level for the next couple days until I get quality feedback from advertiser

Fingers crossed that you get a higher cap.

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10-18-2020 10:01 AM #38

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Originally Posted by twinaxe

Looks good so far.

-20% isn´t that bad, especially when you have lots of volume available.

Then cutting some losing placements can already help to get the campaign into green.

Or maybe it would have been in green already when you wouldn´t have tested the other two offers

What do you mean with "where you run them"?

Different geos or different trafficsources?

Fingers crossed that you get a higher cap.

Where I run them = Different segments (desktop vs mobile, carrier vs broadband).

So haven't posted in a minute due to get BTFO'd the day after I posted, ah well you know these things happen:

Offer suddenly stopped converting that well overnight and lost a chunk of change + the $100 or so I spent testing it
Took a day off, had some good food and spied a bit.
Decided to just come BACK HARDER - now this is becoming a habit. Every time I'm fucked with I just come back harder, no exceptions

Haven't had much time to post since I've been busy, and quite frankly I still don't feel like I'm working hard enough, estimate I'm at 10% of my potential.

It quite funny the first 2-3 months it was SOOO hard to decide what to run as a newbie - no idea WTF to run, where, when, or how?

I still don't know what will work but now I know how to at least get some campaign ideas.

Anyway here's a summary of past 3 days:

Got a few more camps going
Getting a better understanding of the casino niche, I spend all my time hanging out on gambling forums - honestly it's kind of affected my brain.
I've never gambled and now I'm getting tempted to start, I've even signed up to a few online platforms.....ughhh purely for research of course

10-18-2020 02:28 PM #39

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Today stats:

Now I'm throwing in the sweep/dating camps in too, trying to get some diversity. Multiple geos, offers, networks, traffic sources. (Note: haven't launched most of these new campaigns yet)

I know pretty much all the vets will call me a fool - and that I'd get more results by focusing on one, specifically casino since that seems to be something I connect with.

BUT I don't want to get wiped out by one THING (anything) going down any more, it's just too exhausting. So ultimately this is a trade off I'm willing to make.

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Nice results so far, the ROI looks good, just try to scale it a bit

I know pretty much all the vets will call me a fool - and that I'd get more results by focusing on one, specifically casino since that seems to be something I connect with.

BUT I don't want to get wiped out by one THING (anything) going down any more, it's just too exhausting. So ultimately this is a trade off I'm willing to make.

I understand your motives here, and in a way, it makes a lot of sense

Most of us, I believe, didn't stick to the first thing they tested... some of us switched traffic types, some the networks, some the verticals... so basically, there is nothing wrong with experimenting and trying various things. The important part is to refrain from jumping from one thing to the next, without properly testing each of them.

It's also harder to focus on multiple things, designing creatives for multiple verticals, learning how to work with various traffic sources ALL AT ONCE. So when starting out, this might be too much for a newbie and the results could equal to a total failure. That's why we usually do recommend people to focus on one thing, when starting out. But if you feel you can handle it... the decision is yours

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Originally Posted by matuloo

It's also harder to focus on multiple things, designing creatives for multiple verticals, learning how to work with various traffic sources ALL AT ONCE. So when starting out, this might be too much for a newbie and the results could equal to a total failure. That's why we usually do recommend people to focus on one thing, when starting out. But if you feel you can handle it... the decision is yours

I think you may indeed be right

New milestone reached - first $100 in REVENUE

Not positive unfortunately but a few gems in there

Dating is a bit harder than I originally thought. Need to start doing some research on what makes a good dating funnel.

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Dating is a bit harder than I originally thought. Need to start doing some research on what makes a good dating funnel.

2 things play the major role here:

- the offer is the king, this is the most important part. Without the right offer, you don't stand a chance.
- the female(s) used in the creatives. Some simply pull more interest. Put focus on "real" looks and the composition of the photography: home-like locations, public places... refrain from using studio photography. Or try something weird, like the fancy animations or something shocking. So the prospects either have to believe they are looking at a real female that really wants to meat, or they have to be shocked to the extent that they simple NEED to see more

Master these 2 and you're all set

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10-20-2020 06:04 PM #43

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Originally Posted by matuloo

2 things play the major role here:

- the offer is the king, this is the most important part. Without the right offer, you don't stand a chance.
- the female(s) used in the creatives. Some simply pull more interest. Put focus on "real" looks and the composition of the photography: home-like locations, public places... refrain from using studio photography. Or try something weird, like the fancy animations or something shocking. So the prospects either have to believe they are looking at a real female that really wants to meat, or they have to be shocked to the extent that they simple NEED to see more

Master these 2 and you're all set

Valid points from matuloo but I´d like to add some more.

Try to increase the traffic quality as good as possible, otherwise you will have a hard time with dating.

Build your campaigns to attract older users and avoid words like "free".

This will result in lower CR but in better quality = better for longterm campaigns.

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Originally Posted by twinaxe

Valid points from matuloo but I´d like to add some more.

Try to increase the traffic quality as good as possible, otherwise you will have a hard time with dating.

Build your campaigns to attract older users and avoid words like "free".

This will result in lower CR but in better quality = better for longterm campaigns.

Indeed, thanks for pointing it out, the quality must be solid or else he'd be losing one offer after the next. Let me plug my older article about lead quality here, should the OP want to read more about it: https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...guide-for-2017!

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You as a dating veteran can probably tell a few stories about how important good quality is in that vertical

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Originally Posted by twinaxe

You as a dating veteran can probably tell a few stories about how important good quality is in that vertical

Yup, I think its safe to say I've lost more offers due to low lead quality than I made profitable

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Hello everyone, don't worry - I am still alive.

I've been warned about my lead quality for 2 offers but haven't had any offers pulled yet, thankfully .

I have paused traffic voluntarily for the past 3 days to rethink how to improve lead quality and have been going through twinaxe, matuloo and offshores lead quality advice and implementing a lot of the technical and creative changes to hopefully achieve better quality once I resume traffic.

Still working away at it but I know I have 3-4 gem offers - of which I can hopefully make $XXX /day profit pretty quickly. I don't want to just run those for a couple days and get paused from them.

Better to take a few days and hopefully get enough lead quality to run those offers for weeks or at least good enough for the advertiser to consider a lower payout instead of an outright ban.

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Still working away at it but I know I have 3-4 gem offers - of which I can hopefully make $XXX /day profit pretty quickly. I don't want to just run those for a couple days and get paused from them.

Better to take a few days and hopefully get enough lead quality to run those offers for weeks or at least good enough for the advertiser to consider a lower payout instead of an outright ban.

Yup, it's a good idea to step back for a minute, think about what you could do better and correct the most obvious mistakes that can have a direct effect on the quality.

BUT, there is only so much you can control, large part of the issue is connected to the traffic quality of each network and of course the actual monetization setup of every offer plays a big role too... so no matter how hard you try, you will still lose some offers, be prepared for that and do not blame yourself to much when that happens. It's a natural part of this business.

That's why the testing is so important, you need to have backup offers available all the time as you can lose a great performer all of a sudden without doing anything wrong on your side.

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Originally Posted by matuloo

Yup, it's a good idea to step back for a minute, think about what you could do better and correct the most obvious mistakes that can have a direct effect on the quality.

BUT, there is only so much you can control, large part of the issue is connected to the traffic quality of each network and of course the actual monetization setup of every offer plays a big role too... so no matter how hard you try, you will still lose some offers, be prepared for that and do not blame yourself to much when that happens. It's a natural part of this business.

That's why the testing is so important, you need to have backup offers available all the time as you can lose a great performer all of a sudden without doing anything wrong on your side.

Thank you for your words of wisdom, yes I have heard about push not being great for quality..etc and that much is true but it has not been so bad as to get me banned yet and I've been breaking all the rules - screaming free, being quite misleading, randomly doing bursts of leads followed by nothing.

I hope to mature a bit and get some experience with running things on push and then graduate to native after 3-6 months as I've heard the quality is better and more stable there. My jump from pop to push was quite transformative and I'm hoping for the same from push to native

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Still working away at it but I know I have 3-4 gem offers - of which I can hopefully make $XXX /day profit pretty quickly. I don't want to just run those for a couple days and get paused from them.

Sometimes it´s good to ponder your options a bit.

There are offers/verticals where it´s really hard to increase the quality enough to run the offers longterm.

Then it can be more profitable to just run the offers and push them as hard as possible to monetize them as long as they work.

It´s not worth to don´t run them or wait with it and then miss a chance instead of taking advantage of it as long as it lasts.

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Originally Posted by twinaxe

Sometimes it´s good to ponder your options a bit.

There are offers/verticals where it´s really hard to increase the quality enough to run the offers longterm.

Then it can be more profitable to just run the offers and push them as hard as possible to monetize them as long as they work.

It´s not worth to don´t run them or wait with it and then miss a chance instead of taking advantage of it as long as it lasts.

Oh man, that makes a lot of sense too. Thank for you the counter perspective.

Damn now I'm not so sure what strategy to follow

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Damn now I'm not so sure what strategy to follow

It´s pretty easy.

Run whatever works for you and push it as hard as possible as long as it lasts.

When you run into quality issues several times with the same offers/verticals then you know that you run something that is rather short termed, then you can still decide how to move on.

If you are ok with shortterm profits and messing around with frequently getting paused from offers continue with it, if you want to run more longterm campaigms better run something else.

Quality issues can always happen, important is that you send clean traffic and don´t send fake conversions.

When you run more often into quality issues your AM will probably also tell you when it´s time to run something else.

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Originally Posted by twinaxe

It´s pretty easy.

Run whatever works for you and push it as hard as possible as long as it lasts.

When you run into quality issues several times with the same offers/verticals then you know that you run something that is rather short termed, then you can still decide how to move on.

If you are ok with shortterm profits and messing around with frequently getting paused from offers continue with it, if you want to run more longterm campaigms better run something else.

Quality issues can always happen, important is that you send clean traffic and don´t send fake conversions.

When you run more often into quality issues your AM will probably also tell you when it´s time to run something else.

You really have a gift for crystal clarity @twinaxe, that strategy makes a LOT of sense to me.

Here is yesterdays results after relaunching all campaigns with new landers/strategy:

Row 1: Real shining star (top camp) that has been verified by the advertiser and I have been given more cap and a smol unasked for paybump, good to know I can both have high quality leads, decent volume and a high ROI, hell yeah. Now time to cut some bad segments, bid higher and push it harder.
Row 2: Camp I have been giving a warning about previously, I have started to passback more info to the AN and decided to delete my creatives/landers and build a new set from scratch which are bit more honest and less misleading. One lander of them all is really out-performing the others and it's not too misleading, this campaign has the potential to be like the 1st row campaign
Row 3: New campaign I was testing - it was a complete blow-out lol.
Row 4 Dating campaign I've been testing, currently breaking even and all 4 landers are performing about the same which is pretty interesting. I'll try cutting and optimizing this a bit more but this has potential.
Row 6: Offer recommended to me by my AM, not much spend despite the traffic source having a LOT of volume. I probably need to bid higher but at least it's green off the bat

It's quite nice, it seems my AMs know what kind of offers I really succeed with and proactively recommended me those. Today will be a day of diving into the data and cranking up budgets. Also I'm planning on building out 2-3 new campaigns which seem like potential winners from my spying and AM given stats.

Wish me luck in hitting that XXX/day profit friends.

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10-25-2020 03:47 PM #54

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Looking good my man, really nice to see your progress

Wish me luck in hitting that XXX/day profit friends.

I am confident you will achieve it without luck and only with skills

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Originally Posted by twinaxe

Looking good my man, really nice to see your progress

I am confident you will achieve it without luck and only with skills

Thanks twinxe, you are too kind. I hope so too but a little luck never hurts

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Nothing too crazy to report, some of my ad campaigns were shut down after approval so I didn't spend as much as I would've liked, plus I got a ton of delayed clicks costing a bunch with a low CR%

Look at this lander comparison:

I know you are all probably tired of me being surprised by how much difference a good lander makes but MAN it's crazy how much difference a well-written custom coded lander does make.
Maybe I should become a copy-writer, my skills at such a low spend are good but imagine applying them to a campaign running 1K+ a day in spend.

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I hope so too but a little luck never hurts

Sure, but luck is not controlable whereas skilled based success is repeatable

I know you are all probably tired of me being surprised by how much difference a good lander makes but MAN it's crazy how much difference a well-written custom coded lander does make.

So did you code a landing page completely from scratch?

If yes, did you still use one of the popular styles or did you also come up with a very own new LP style?

To be honest, I never create my own landers.

I tried it few times to come up with new ideas but the landers sucked really hard each time so I better stick with proven variants

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The code is not completely from scratch but I strip away most of it and rewrite it to be faster and add a couple new js effects if I think they will help.

I use the popular styles but I try adapting it to the geo as much as possible, using local slang, local colors, different images, comments at the bottom ripped from actual review websites instead of the fake sounding ones that are usually there.

If it's in English I try to read local forums around the subject too for little snippets or terms people often use to incorporate in.

Then I create a bunch of variations ranging from the vanilla ripped lp to more and more customized and localized lps. Think of a sliding scale.

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I know you are all probably tired of me being surprised by how much difference a good lander makes but MAN it's crazy how much difference a well-written custom coded lander does make.

Nope, I'm actually glad you're making these posts. So many people try to just rip & run and they don't realize it's often just a small change that's needed to dramatically improve the performance.

I use the popular styles but I try adapting it to the geo as much as possible, using local slang, local colors, different images, comments at the bottom ripped from actual review websites instead of the fake sounding ones that are usually there.

This is the perfect method and I'm doing pretty much the same... no need to reinvent the wheel, pick what works and just make it better. BRAVO!

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The code is not completely from scratch but I strip away most of it and rewrite it to be faster and add a couple new js effects if I think they will help.

Alright, thanks for clarification.

This is what I also do but as I said, I don´t mess around trying to find a real new landing page style myself.

Mostly the ones available are very good already so it´s rather about making something exisiting better instead of coming up with something on my own.

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Originally Posted by matuloo

Nope, I'm actually glad you're making these posts. So many people try to just rip & run and they don't realize it's often just a small change that's needed to dramatically improve the performance.

This is the perfect method and I'm doing pretty much the same... no need to reinvent the wheel, pick what works and just make it better. BRAVO!

Haha excellent, reassuring to know I'm following the footsteps of the greats

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Alright, thanks for clarification.

This is what I also do but as I said, I don´t mess around trying to find a real new landing page style myself.

Mostly the ones available are very good already so it´s rather about making something exisiting better instead of coming up with something on my own.

Yes I agree, although I think there is room for innovation for more novel niches/verticals but anything that is on an affiliate network will likely do well with an existing template, speaking of which:

Daily Summary:

Today is actually pretty funny, but let's take a second to look at the ROI for each camp, eye-wateringly better across the board compared to yesterdays stats
I basically cut all campaigns down to the best performing lander since I felt like I had enough data for each and thus ROI sky-rocketed
I got a bit scared so I cut my bid/budgets across the board too since I didn't want to go over cap - was actually quite foolish in retrospect since I didn't hit anywhere near and the low bids really cut down my traffic
Still I made more profit than yesterday, despite spending almost half as much so still a plus in my books

Now I know a bit more about how things will react I'm going to increase my bids again

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